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292: Stacey Shumacher—When Animal Lovers Eat Their Own
The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe
Is That When You Know You've Made It?
"I just have never felt so old and useless as when I stare at the endless parade of technology in my life," he says. "It is a very humbling morning for me, Stacey." He adds: "You're on this podcast because I wish to be your friend"
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