The Mississippi State Flag

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LZ Granderson's new book is about the friendship between Louis XIV and a Mississippi woman, genesis. She invited him to her home in baloxy where they discussed his feelings on the state flag. He said he felt morally obliged to reciprocate when she asked how it made him feel. LZ: "I have never felt the kind of respect from somebody on her side of the issue as i do now"

Irshad Manji has a lot of experience in trying to persuade those who really don’t want to be persuaded.

Early in her career, Irshad wrote two influential books that advocated for a reformed Islam. In conversations with religious conservatives around the world, she found that a combative style did not help her win adherents for her cause; instead, she started to acknowledge their views—before proudly arguing for her own. Now, Irshad runs the Moral Courage project, a pedagogical approach that hopes to make progress on contested issues like racism without shaming its participants.

On the latest episode of The Good Fight, Yascha Mounk talks to Irshad about why we should not judge those who disagree with us; how we can hope to persuade them of our own positions; and why we should be more optimistic about America’s future than is now fashionable.

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