I Think the United States Is an Outlier in This Regard

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The remarkable thing about the united states is the extent to which different communities do get along. i think that's why it folle out of aconvers now, i think it can be really productive to bring this into a conversation as a positive example. I don't understand a social change strategy that says, tell the worst story possible about the world, and then people will want to make it better. On the other side of that fire is somewhere between robespierre and the iotone. When you burn things down, you don't head into paradise. You hadn't a chaos. That's not how i think about diversity work. It's all about power relationships. The kind of

Eboo Patel is the founder of Interfaith America and the author of We Need to Build: Field Notes For Diverse Democracy. Patel also served as an advisor on faith to President Barack Obama.

In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Eboo Patel discuss why it’s so common for faith-based organizations to serve communities beyond their own; why Patel once embraced critical race theory but eventually moved beyond it; and the vital role of civil society organizations in the fabric of American democracy.

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