Navigating Israel's Complex Role in Global Politics

How has the war in Gaza reverberated throughout American politics? Opinion columnist Bret Stephens and Ross Douthat debate the implications of the Israel-Gaza conflict on antisemitism, the morality of war, and why “Monday morning quarterbacking” is not productive when taking stock of military actions in the Middle East.

• 01:56 Israel actions in Gaza
• 04:39 The moral baseline
• 13:31 What is the end game?
• 15:52 The role of Israel in American politics
• 23:44 Can you criticize Israel without becoming antisemetic? 
• 36:05 Does Israel have obligations to the Jewish diaspora?

(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)

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