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#1115 Mike Shelby | This Interview Will Scare You

The Pomp Podcast

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What Do You Optimize Before?

"I'm afraid this is maybe one of those, you know, end of empire indicators," he says. "You can see it happen, and it's kind of crazy to watch in real time" He adds that people are trying to figure out how they can meddle with the military. That's not what they're optimizing for. Optimizing for other things.

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