#175 Yan Liang: China, Trade & Reforming The System
The MMT Podcast with Patricia Pino & Christian Reilly
The False Dichotomy of Open Trade and Protectionism
I think the whole sort of discussion or the whole theory, right, about open trade versus protectionism, I think it's in some ways it's a false dichotomy. China had a much more open approach to this and my worry is that they're success in doing that. It's very difficult for two countries in the world to be China. So I definitely think that between development first kind of priority versus maintaining that free trade or liberal order, I mean, developed countries should definitely choose the first,.
Patricia & Christian talk to Kremer Endowed Chair of Economics at Willamette University, Professor Yan Liang about China’s economy, international trade, sovereign wealth funds, de-dollarisation, and more.
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- Episode 123 - Warren Mosler: Understanding The Price Level And Inflation: https://www.patreon.com/posts/59856379
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- Episode 163 - L. Randall Wray: Breaking Banks - The Fed’s Magical Monetarist Thinking Strikes Again: https://www.patreon.com/posts/80479169?pr=true
- Episode 165 - Robert Hockett: Sparking An Industrial Renewal By Building Banks Better: https://www.patreon.com/posts/81084983?pr=true
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