Legal Laughter: The Absurdity of Murder

Join Simone and the host as they delve into a detailed discussion on a fascinating thread about crime statistics shared by their friend, Cremieux. The episode focuses on how a small percentage of individuals are responsible for a vast majority of crimes, illustrated by examples such as shoplifting in New York City. They also discuss the broader implications of these statistics, including potential solutions, the effectiveness of three-strikes laws, and the controversial topic of genetic predispositions to criminal behavior. Additionally, they touch on the idea of penal colonies and the execution of repeat offenders. The episode takes a complex look at criminality, its impact on society, and explores both historical and modern-day enforcement strategies.

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Malcolm Collins: Simone, I'm excited to be here with you today. Today we're going to be talking about a interesting thread by a personal in person friend of ours. A guy we quite like Cremieux it was on crime statistics and it focused on how very few people commit the vast majority of crimes.

Simone Collins: Oh yes.

Malcolm Collins: We had talked about this in our episode on police, but I wanted to have a dedicated episode on this particular subject because I find it interesting and I think he provides even more color than we had before. So I am going to go over his statistics and I'm going to give you a chance to react to them and I'm going to provide some additional information.

Simone Collins: Three cheers for Camille. I love him.

Malcolm Collins: All right. New York storefront businesses are already weathering inflation and uneven recovery from the coronavirus pandemic are also contending With what the police say is a dramatic increase in shoplifting, but statistics reveal a startling reality.

A relative handful of shoplifters are responsible for an outside percentage of retail crime. Nearly a third of [00:01:00] all shoplifting arrests in New York City last year were just 327 people. Police say collectively they were arrested more than 6, 000 times. So just 327 people. Rusted over 6, 000 times. So, for example, that means in New York, 0.

00385 percent of New York's population is responsible for 33 percent of the shoplifting in the city. Now, if you are a sane person, you might be thinking, Why aren't those people in jail always, but it gets worse than that.

This isn't unprecedented by any means. The number of burglaries in ster plummeted after three minute, died in a car crash. And I'm gonna put an image on screen here, an article about this. It actually took me a bit to find how much it went down. It went down by from 2019 to 2023 by 43%. Ah, yikes. [00:02:00] And these, by the way, are three white looking bro guys.

So if you're like reading this and you're like, oh, this is like a black person thing or a Mexican thing. No, it's, you know, depending on where you're living. It's just a criminality thing.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Well, it seems to be when people make this their careers. Then they just keep especially if they discover that they can make it their career kind of sustainably And they don't really get in that much trouble for it of course, they're incentivized to keep going because it's easier than working and they're probably in some kind of debt hole or Crime hole that they can't get out of

Malcolm Collins: I disagree that doesn't appear to be what's happening It appears to be mostly genetic.

We'll get to that in a second.

Simone Collins: Oh, no

Malcolm Collins: So, Cycling UK hails quote unquote clever policing after bait bicycle used to track down 130, 000 pounds of bike theft a bike theft gang stole in one shift.

Local bike theft fell 90 percent following the arrest with 11 people now sentenced. [00:03:00] So arresting 11 people. Dropped bike theft in one British town by 90 percent Okay, yikes And this is where like there's a progressive meme of that guy who's like, well, this guy stole my bike But you know net the world's probably happier now because he needed the bike more than I did and you know Progressive brain rot of assuming the stabber is the victim and not the stabby if not having a sane mind and understanding that the vast majority of crimes are done by very, very few people who are career criminals and who are working for other career criminals with that money generally going.

Downstream to like big crime syndicates that are using it to terrorize grannies in Mexico like no nobody is benefiting from your bike being stolen. In fact, it's making

Simone Collins: things worse Yeah

Malcolm Collins: better off if whoever stole your bike on average If a bike thief was [00:04:00] forced to kneel and execute it on the spot, the world would be better off.

There would be less pain and there would be less suffering.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Emma looks that way, yeah. I mean, from these stats, that's, oh, gosh, this is terrible.

Malcolm Collins: I'm not saying we need to start executing everyone who commits a crime. I'm just saying, think about it. Just saying, please

Simone Collins: consider it.

Malcolm Collins: That's all you're saying.

Alright, here's where It gets concerning here.

Simone Collins: Okay, like it's not already immensely concerning.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, no, no, no, no, no. This is a home. I'm just gonna have a drink here. So you could because we're gonna be talking about adoption studies.

Simone Collins: No, no,

Malcolm Collins: 1, 1 percent of adoptees whose biological parents had 3 or more offenses were responsible for 30 percent of convictions among adoptees. The 1 percent of adoptees whose parents had 3 or more convictions. We're responsible for 30 percent of the offenses among [00:05:00] adoptees. If you stopped people with three or more convictions from having kids, the number of crimes in this country would drop.

I'm not saying that's really danger town. This is a statistical fact. I am saying we shouldn't do this. That would be a horrible, horrifying thing to do. I'm just putting out the statistics. Say that the 1 percent of adoptees whose parents had committed three or more crimes committed over 30 percent of the crimes.

Simone Collins: Wee woo, wee woo! Danger! Oh, God! They tried this! The PR disaster was It's not good for PR, no. This is so bad for PR! This is so bad!

Malcolm Collins: Ah! Yeah. I don't, yeah, not a great PR wise, but if you, if you want to see how bad this would be here, I'm going to [00:06:00] show a, a homicide rate

Simone Collins: graph. Sure. Show me the homicide rate graph.

Well, so this is

Malcolm Collins: a homicide rate for the rate of criminality graph. So, what it looks at is the homicide rate. , so the homicide rate for people who've been arrested of other crimes. Okay. And the homicide rate of non-criminals. Okay. If you look at non-criminals, the rate hovers around like two to 3%. If you look at the percent of people who've been convicted of other crimes, it's like between 10 and 7%.

Simone Collins: No, because of course it is.

Of course it is, of course. Yeah. You are

Malcolm Collins: saving lives by executing that bike theft.

Simone Collins: Yeah. This is really. It's making me reconsider. So I grew up in California where there was something called a three strikes law that was largely condemned. I'm going to put huge numbers of people in jail who quite frankly should not have been in jail.

And I think a lot of that is because they were sorry. There we go. [00:07:00] I think a lot of that is because they were jailed for drug charges, like just possessing marijuana. Like that was enough for them to get three strikes and then just be in jail forever, which is super dumb. But now when I look at the, the level of.

committing crimes again and again, when they're damaging crimes, crimes that are like possessing marijuana, dude, like this person's just chilling out for the most part. Okay. But then when you're shoplifting, when you're committing burglary, when you're committing an aggravated assault, when you are God forbid killing someone that's very different.

That's where I feel like three strikes laws suddenly make a lot of sense because this is ultimately who's committing all the crimes. And it's clear that if someone has committed a crime twice, They're probably within that really small percentage of the population that's just going to keep doing it and really, really, really hurting society.

Wow. I mean, it just makes so much sense. And now I'm getting really frustrated that the three strikes law was so poorly executed in California, which is probably [00:08:00]

Malcolm Collins: minor drug offenses instead of like thefts. Of

Simone Collins: course, that's not a good idea. Like who thought that was a good idea. And now anyone hears three strikes,

Malcolm Collins: like that's a bad idea.

And Democrats, Newspeak thought it was a good idea. But hold on, remember who was, who was, who was your head? No, sorry. Who was the head of your cops and legal department during that period? It was Kamala Harris. , someone who has brought, when they said, Oh, you know, you have, you smoked marijuana privately.

This is someone who jailed thousands of people, tens of thousands of people for marijuana charges. She laughed when she was asked if she'd smoked marijuana.

Simone Collins: Because she,

Malcolm Collins: she laughs always. That's her thing.

Simone Collins: She laughs.

Malcolm Collins: Laughing is her favorite. Laughs as if to imply, of course I am. I'm the elite. I get to do whatever I want.

That's what I

Simone Collins: would do as an autistic person who's just trying to.

Malcolm Collins: Simone, she would have said no if the answer was no.

Simone Collins: I don't know. Listen, honestly, like, As, as someone who constantly is trying to [00:09:00] look normal and public and just make people feel comfortable and happy. I imply a whole lot. Hold on. Have you smoked marijuana?

No.

Malcolm Collins: Yes, you have. You must have. No. Are you actually, you haven't smoked marijuana?

Simone Collins: No, I've never, I've never done any illegal drug ever, period. I, I have, I have done fentanyl, that is in surgery, that has like only been in hospitals and I've had Xanax. So you're arguing

Malcolm Collins: that Harris is as square as you and she doesn't want to admit it?

Simone Collins: Yeah, she doesn't seem to me like the kind of person who would enjoy like, I disagree. I think who

Malcolm Collins: caves to peer pressure and whenever we're around her, like billionaire friends or otherwise, like super successful friends are always. This is a weird thing about life. Like as an adult, I understand dare so much more than as a kid.

We go to heretic on, they're like free tattoo seminar every day. You want to go to your free tattoos today? You should have [00:10:00]

Simone Collins: gotten a tattoo ring. I'm just saying

Malcolm Collins: it's or they'll say like, Oh, you know, we, we hang out with our other like super, super wealthy friends. They're like, Hey, you want to do drugs, man?

Our, our normie friends never asked us to do this s**t. They never, have you seen

Simone Collins: the, the tweet that went viral, which was a picture of Rfk on Trump force one eating McDonald's

With

elon musk and donald trump, and I think it was don trump jr. I love it. It was like peer pressure

Rfk who hates mcdonald's, of course he came.

Yeah,

he kind of had to

Yeah, no rich people peer pressure is a real thing. But also I don't I don't feel comfortable with With Like controlled substances like that, because I don't know the exact dosage and provenance like I spoke about this with someone I won't name who has done a lot of psychedelics, but he, he has done [00:11:00] them all with like, Stanford researchers who have like lab grade psychedelics.

And I would like

Malcolm Collins: to be psychedelics.

Simone Collins: No, this is a guy, this is, but no, yeah, no that that was it was the the person who was in our house when a deer was shot outside Oh that guy it's the tornadic precursors guy who's like but well like in in those scenarios You I would, of course, be comfortable. Well, I mean, we don't want to do psychedelics until we feel like we're less creative, but like, I would be comfortable trying something else if I knew that it was you know, I knew where it came from.

I knew what the dosage was. I knew exactly what I was playing with. But I, I wouldn't just like, I don't know, it's, it's, it's akin to eating food off the floor. You don't know where that's been. I mean, okay, I eat food off the floor all the time now that I have kids, but like, you know what I mean. Yeah.

It's like eating a an ice cream cone that you found on the street in New York. I'm not doing that. That's gross. Even if a billionaire got it. I [00:12:00] don't care. Gross.

Malcolm Collins: All right. So I'll continue with this. Please work.

Simone Collins: God. Yes.

Malcolm Collins: Go on. If you're talking about the three strike law, if the three strike law had been effectively enforced in Sweden, it would have reduced violent crime by half.

That's huge. The three strike law is actually important in terms of reducing crime. And we, as a country need to say, let's learn how to correctly implemented instead of. It's bad.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. A few people with extensive criminal histories drive most crimes, arrests, etc. When it comes to the population that actually serves jail time, the reasons largely have to do with these people just being impulsive.

And that's the end of the day. It is all about impulsivity, recall that violent crime explains the largest part of the prison population and that getting in dumb fight explains most violent crime.

Simone Collins: Yeah. And that's all about impulse control.

Malcolm Collins: Most violent [00:13:00] crime.

And even most homicides that are known were created by personal disputes. And after personal disputes, the next biggest one, Is group related conflict and after that it is instant dispute and after that it is drug related dispute What is instant

Simone Collins: dispute?

Malcolm Collins: I think it's just like Basically somebody pissed you off And after that It's robbery way down down.

No, no, no, no, no robbery. I think what happens when you go past robbery domestic violence again Just poor self control. Yeah, and then below that You retaliation or revenge?

Simone Collins: That's a crime?

Malcolm Collins: Well, when you murder someone, it is.

Simone Collins: Oh, okay. These are causes for, okay. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Not murder, murder or assault. Like, revenge isn't a crime in and of itself.

Yeah, I was like, ooh. Or revenge is, yes.

Simone Collins: No, except for there was that one [00:14:00] exception. I think it was in some Asian country where if you were a woman, And your husband cheated on you. You had the right to legally kill him. I think you had to be with your bare hands, but you could kill him.

Malcolm Collins: Whoa, wait. So if you murdered me with your bare hands, that was legal in that country.

Simone Collins: My understanding was yes. That if you had proof that they cheated on you and you murdered them with your bare hands, you had to get out of jail free card with that. So I think what I would do as a wife in that scenario, if I cared about that, and I wanted to kill my husband, is one, you get totally documented proof, you submit it to a lawyer, you make sure, like, the lawyer's like, yep, checks out, this is going to hold up in court, and then, I mean, I think it's pretty easy to strangle someone at night, like, while they're sleeping first you sort of restrain them.

I don't think you'd

Malcolm Collins: be able to strangle me unless you drugged me or something first. I'm significantly stronger. Dude, you are

Simone Collins: such a heavy sleeper. That's the

Malcolm Collins: problem. Even so, I'd wake up in time. Simone, I really just look, you know how much stronger I am than you

Simone Collins: really [00:15:00] have to tie you to the bed or something, but okay, you'd have to tie me to the bed that there would be like a well known collection, like an online forums of like, okay, if you're a wife in this country and you've been cheated on, you know, I'm like, there'd probably be specialized lawyers who had like kits, you know, like, here's your.

And also the best

Malcolm Collins: way to kill someone used to be on a cruise ship. Very easy way to kill someone. No, no,

Simone Collins: but this, again, I think that the rule in this country was that you had to kill them with your bare hands.

Malcolm Collins: Like you couldn't take a firearm. No, yeah, I'm just saying because you're like different countries.

We're not in that country. If you want to kill someone in this country, it's boats.

Simone Collins: Well, yeah, well, and not get caught, right? Like you don't even have to like be worried about the legality of it. Yeah, you just knock them off the cruise ship. Because there's such a

Malcolm Collins: tragic boat

Simone Collins: accident.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah.

Simone Collins: Yeah,

Malcolm Collins: and it's, it's considered an accident and it happens to like a surprising number of people every year.

Simone Collins: Yeah, like, if you ever meet someone who's, who's a family member or significant loved one died in a tragic boating accident. Yeah, they're a murderer. [00:16:00] Tragic boating accident. Yes. It's always, it's always a tragic boating accident. Yeah. If it was

Malcolm Collins: well, for yachting accidents, of course, you know, yeah, but no, I mean, that is a great way to kill someone.

When we have a, whenever I'm really

Simone Collins: old,

Malcolm Collins: Podcast episodes is about this. Yeah, how you would kill me if you were gonna kill me and how I would kill you gonna kill you. But I think

Simone Collins: that the answer that both of us came to is just boats.

Malcolm Collins: No, I said icicle.

What, like? Icicle. So you typically need a murder weapon and it melts.

Simone Collins: I

Malcolm Collins: get that, but

Simone Collins: like, how do

Malcolm Collins: you do it? Well, so what you argue is that the icicle fell from a nearby building. This kills people all the time. All you need to do is stab someone with an icicle.

Simone Collins: Oh, inside. Like, so they're asleep or something, and then you stab them from the right angle.

No, don't do that.

Malcolm Collins: That'd be too easy. I mean, you might even create like an ice shooting gun and then stab them where the gun wound was. Oh, just

Simone Collins: create an ice shooting gun. Like that's so easy. Oh, [00:17:00] okay. And then why don't we just, you know, solve the housing crisis at the same time?

Yes. And then perfect. Good. Done. Done. I'm glad we had this conversation. The ice shooting gun.

Malcolm Collins: You put the ice through the wound. You can say, oh, this fell after they fell. And then it fell through up there. It melts the weapon. And then it melts the

Simone Collins: You put the ice through the wound that you created with another weapon?

Malcolm Collins: Yes, because it would destroy the Forensics is better than that.

Simone Collins: No, no, the ice has to be the weapon. So you create, you create the ice shard, you Supposedly, but see, you'd have to stab them from an angle that plausibly could have been a falling icicle. And then also you have to make sure that from within the home, like, if you're not doing this on top of a plastic mat that you somehow dispose of later inside your home, you also have to remove all blood splatters.

You have to remove it from your body. I mean, people bleed, people splatter. It's, it's, it's embarrassing and gross. That's why I'm not into murder. It's like too [00:18:00] unhygienic. Well, yeah. Why don't you just like quiet, quit in your relationship and let it fall apart the normal way, you know, do it the normal way

or maybe

Malcolm Collins: like just.

If we were going to get into robbery, okay? Okay. How would you do robberies?

Simone Collins: Now, robbery is when you just take it from someone. Burglary is when you sneak in. Are we being burglars or robbers? Explain, okay, how

Malcolm Collins: would you do it? If we were going to make our money through criminality, how would you do it?

Simone Collins: Oh, dude, like, office space style, where you discover how to like shave a penny off of transactions in some way where like We don't

Malcolm Collins: have access to anything that we can put above

Simone Collins: Well, then step one is get access to something like that.

I mean, I'm sure that there are billions of people in the federal government doing this every single day. It's called procurement.

Malcolm Collins: You know, no, no, no, no. I think that you've hit on a huge under, under exploited arbitrage area of criminality,

Simone Collins: which

Malcolm Collins: is stealing from corporate offices that not many people are using anymore.

I think there's a bunch of corporate offices that people barely visit anymore. They're really just there [00:19:00] to tell investors. Oh,

Simone Collins: it's all just like remote work. No, no, no. But people are starting to enforce. In office work again, I think largely companies like Amazon because they got permission and huge tax breaks for these offices in states that expected people to come and do the office.

Malcolm Collins: I don't disagree that companies like Amazon are doing this, but what I'm saying is I bet there's a 10 to 25 percent of companies in the United States right now that are basically empty almost all the time.

Simone Collins: Well, we know this when we host those dinner parties in New York and we're like in a 36th floor on Park Avenue.

Yeah, because

Malcolm Collins: we can look at the offices. They're, they're just all empty, but here's, here's

Simone Collins: why I also feel like burglary is super dumb now and I don't get it. Is this like, where's the secondary market for this? Are they selling it on Facebook marketplace? You're not making a ton of money there. Like who.

Who's buying this?

Malcolm Collins: You would need to industrialize the scale of this.

Simone Collins: Oh, and that's why there's like this huge Mexican cartel that sells all the bikes. Yeah. I guess you have to create a, a, a, you have to take it to scale. Yeah. There has to be like some, [00:20:00] some scale that you're going to take. What scale?

Staples, you're going to sell the staples. You're going to sell old computers.

Malcolm Collins: It's all on like, like eBay or something. Right. It's pretty undifferentiated products.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: But if you do this, it's like, okay, you've got to hire minimum wage workers. Right.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: But if you do this at all of the corporate parks, right. There are just so, so, so many of these.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Maybe that's where AWS gets all its compute power. Maybe this is where Newegg gets all of its computers. Maybe this is already being done.

You know, you always wonder. I know. I bet have these places. It's

Malcolm Collins: like dusty and old and they don't have like new computers and no one's been there. I genuinely think a lot of places are like only pretending to operate and really no one has really worked for them since COVID.

Simone Collins: Yeah. I just, I wouldn't work in resale.

I just feel like, Oh, like getting product market fit like that's now you're just creating a business. It's like, just. I don't know. Find something easier [00:21:00] that doesn't get, you know, that doesn't involve crime. Cause that's another liability and that's, that's uninsurable. I just wouldn't do it. So, okay. You want to ensure our crime business?

I don't know. I want to protect myself from downside risk. I think that, you know, any, any responsible business owner, and this is why ultimately this is unfortunately coming back to this really uncomfortable conversation about. Like in the end, if you're dumb enough to do crime, it's typically because you are, you're not, you don't have the processing power capable of thinking through all of the consequences.

And therefore you do it because you aren't thinking about the downside. What's the downside? Where you don't

Malcolm Collins: do crime because you can't get insured. This is, this is

Simone Collins: your, because I'm thinking of the second and third and fourth and fifth order consequences. And my argument here in the problem and the very inconvenient truth.

Of crime is that the people who commit crime maybe aren't capable of thinking through the second and third and fifth and seventh [00:22:00] order of consequences.

Malcolm Collins: Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay, Simone. So you have to make your money through something that's illegal. What are you doing? Our family runs out of money.

You're just like, I need money tomorrow. What are you doing?

Simone Collins: I'm doing something legal because if it's illegal that your downside risk could make it could take you from 0 to dead to. Your family taken away from you. Like just, again, the downside risk, crime doesn't pay. I mean, crime pays some people, but then there's always, you know, think about the guy who was a dread pirate Roberts, huge respect for him.

Read that biography. Fantastic biography. Can't remember the name of it. That talks about his whole story, creating the silk road. He was, I mean, okay. He got, he was very sloppy and made some very stupid early mistakes, but he was very smart and he still got caught in and it's like, you just, it's not worth it.

How do you get caught trying to remember? He let it was a sting [00:23:00] operation. Someone that he trusted

ultimately got close to him and was able to reveal enough information. And then he was also found. In a library, they were able to get him to a library. He was

Malcolm Collins: a library to do what? How did that confirm with him?

Simone Collins: Oh God, I can't honestly, if my memory is so bad, if it's not useful to me, I don't remember it. He had to be at a library to, with, with the laptop, with all the incriminating information. And that's where they had to catch him. They had to lure him out there, but I can't remember exactly how and why they did that, but it was incredibly smart.

Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx)-2: If you're curious like me on this particular point, I decided to look this up and edit and post. Oh, Rick made at several critical areas that led to his identification. He used the name Altoid to announce silk road on a Bitcoin forum. And later used the same username to ask for programming, help providing his personal email address, both older. And dead. Pirate Roberts were vocal supporters of libertarian economists Ludwig Von [00:24:00] misses with older it's public at Google plus account. Linking to related videos.

Oh, getting busted for a Google plus account

they seized a server in Ireland that gave access to personal chat logs.

They traced it to live with activity to a cafe in San Francisco, near his residence.

The final trap, October 1st, 2013. They monitored public places with free Wi-Fi like San Francisco. It's Glen park neighborhood. Old Rick was observed leaving his apartment and entering Glen park branch library and undercover agent posting as a silk road administrator engaged Treadright at Robert in an online chat. When Orrick logged. Into the silk road administrator account, FBI agents in the library, moved in and arrested him to prevent Olrick from encrypting and deleting his files.

Agents created a distraction while another seized his laptop.

Malcolm Collins: But here's what I would ask.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Tomorrow,

Simone Collins: the

Malcolm Collins: head of a Mexican cartel dies, you end up taking over because they, they find out that you're the long lost. Then I like

Simone Collins: legitimize their business. I'm like, all right, we're firing these people. Like, [00:25:00] I'm, you know, I am going to have to kill people. Kill you if you do that.

Malcolm Collins: No, no, no. You have to, you have to run their existing operation. Okay. Where are the arbitrage opportunities within the criminal market right now?

I think you'd be the most ruthless and effective criminal boss I have ever seen.

Simone Collins: Aww, thank you.

That's sweet. No, I think honestly, I think a lot of women would be really effective criminal bosses. What if they had the

Malcolm Collins: Mexican cartels right now as a woman?

Simone Collins: Yeah, that would that would not surprise me at all even remotely but I think it's one of those things also, I think, where a big problem you get in many industries, like the fashion industry, for example, is it attracted like much of the talent it attracts is just kind of dumb.

talent that doesn't really understand fashion or business dynamics and just is like, Oh, it's pretty, it's high status. And they go there and they kind of mess everything up. And then when you get someone who goes in there and has a business mind, they just clean up. And often they don't give a s**t about fashion.

Like when you look at how some key people at Vogue dress, they [00:26:00] like wear like black sack clothing because they don't care. Like they just, they can't be bothered. And then they kind of dictate how everyone else dresses. Or I mean, that's how it used to be. Now, of course, fashion is very different industry dynamics and market dynamics, but yeah, I think the, the, the core thing is understanding the, the underlying dynamics and the 40 game of chess and not actually caring about the thematics of the thing.

And I think to a great extent, crime is like, it's like a search fund. So, search funds or Like down market private equity is what we were into and it was all about finding inglorious markets that were under managed. That had a lot of people operating them who could it with smarter operations and better connections make a lot more money.

And to a great extent, I think crime is a lot like that. It's stuff that. People just don't want to deal with and then they find there's a market opportunity and they make money from it.

Malcolm Collins: So here's my question for you. If you're choosing between 1 of 2 styles, because the existing cartels that sort of fight have 1 of 2 styles and 1 cartel, they try to do [00:27:00] everything pretty businesslike and be on good terms as much as they can with the local population.

And the other major cartel just basically kills anyone who opposes them. Which side, how would you handle opposition if you were running a cartel?

Simone Collins: I would probably, I would be the former and I would probably step in. Here's, here's where I guess there's, if we're talking good tailwinds, right? Is to become What government has failed to be so like vigilante.

So like they'll just go in and kill people who shoplift multiple times, like just dead. They will be, they will be the ones to be law enforcement when law enforcement literally doesn't have the right. So when the U S

Malcolm Collins: starts to collapse, you will start a criminal organization. A criminal org. Yeah.

Simone Collins: That also, well, and of course it needs protection money. Like it does, it does take tax. Taxes. Yeah. Yeah, taxes, but like, yeah, basically like the government, like Work with me here. Like, imagine, [00:28:00] but it works. Manhattan needs a set. No, but like, this is, this is, but this is, that's the thing is, this is literally what Kings were.

Kings were the ones who like, were able to create enough societal stability and order. Where, like, you would become the clan chieftain, or you'd become the king, and then, like, suddenly, then, like, civilizations spring up, and then you have a legitimate government, and suddenly you're not a criminal anymore, you're respected, and you wear your robes, and you're, you know, so, like, fancy, and you have your, like, hood, and, like, just, but, like, yeah, that's what I would do.

I would create civilization. And it would start out illegal and very violent because it would need to be, I guess. What would you do? Would you be the nice or the mean?

Malcolm Collins: I actually think you do need a certain level of ruthlessness to maintain operations in a region like this. I think like what

Simone Collins: America, New York, a CVS,

Malcolm Collins: New York.

I think what you need to have is hard lines in the sand that cannot be adjudicated by on the ground people, or they will abuse these lines in the sand. However, [00:29:00] You do need some sort of system from adjudication, which is fairly good at deciding. It doesn't need to be perfect 80%. And somebody crosses 1 of these lines execution.

And I think outside of that, things like incarceration, especially long term incarceration and government system. For like, the death penalty are really silly. They're very, very, very expensive government. Death penalty actually costs more than keeping someone in jail for their entire life.

So we need to make these systems more efficient and more extreme.

Speaker: Well, you'll probably want to take your own life. Here, you'd better have this.

Malcolm Collins: And I think that you would quickly see. Many people living better lives, both because they're not dying due to the, you know, as we pointed out, the criminal individuals end up killing lots more people.

Simone Collins: Two words, Malcolm. Penal colonies. Say it with me. I mean [00:30:00]

Malcolm Collins: Well Uh, here's the question I ask you about the adoption study.

I mean, what are your thoughts on sterilization?

Simone Collins: I mean, it's maybe sterilization is making a comeback. There was that one Japanese politician who thought that one way to boost fertility in Japan was to Forced sterilization on Japanese women who didn't have children by the age of 30.

Malcolm Collins: I actually agree with that.

People need to understand their fertility windows. And I

Simone Collins: think No, I He's getting on something, but he's, he's, he's sort of Modeling it. There are two things that he's touching on here that have a lot of weight. One is people have to be aware of their fertility windows. Two is people won't appreciate the value of life until they understand just how fleeting and rare and difficult to achieve it is.

And he's, he's getting at that, but he's getting at it the wrong way. Threatening people with sterilization is not the way. And this is

Malcolm Collins: where we hit, I mean, speaking of [00:31:00] fertility windows, this is where I hit onto a very interesting fact recently that you and I have been talking about, we might do an episode on.

Which is black American, African American fertility windows are significantly smaller than any other ethnic

Simone Collins: group. What on earth? No, we need to research this way more though. I really want to understand what's going on. That is scary. If you're

Malcolm Collins: a black woman, you need to have kids much earlier. Then other ethnic groups before your fertility collapses and because our society doesn't talk about ethnic differences and things like fertility windows, like we just completely ignore this.

And so a lot of black women are like trying to get pregnant in their thirties and they're like, wait, black women are sterile by the time they're 30.

Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx): I will note here that this isn't the way the science investigates this problem. They would just say that black women are twice as likely to experience infertility than white women. They would then go on to say black women are two to three times more likely to be diagnosed with Uterine fibroid, which can affect fertility. , and they would say that IVF outcomes are much lower success among [00:32:00] black women than white women. Without attempting to just lower the age at which they're having kids.

Because of course, then we would be admitting that there are actual medical, ethnic differences between individuals, for example, black kids gestate for much less than white kids.

, but we can't talk about any of this for whatever weird reason, which is obviously having really deleterious effects on the black population.

Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx)-1: I can see why from a progressive mindset, it would be horrifying if it got out. That if you're a black woman and you want to have kids, you need to do it in your twenties. If you want to have the same shot as a white woman, who's doing it in her thirties.

Malcolm Collins: And it's like, yeah, it turns out that that's about the case. And this explains, I think, why if you are not in the bottom, I think it's like 15% or 18 percent of income of, of the black population, you have a lower fertility rate than any other ethnic group in the United States.

Simone Collins: That is wild. We know we have to dig deeper on though, that this is going to be a really interesting episode. We have to do it because. Ah, that's so [00:33:00] scary. And Yeah, talk about, like, double sided attack. One, you have Planned Parenthood, which was, like, designed for, like, black genocides. So,

Malcolm Collins: what she means here is that the person who founded Planned Parenthood worked with the KKK.

She said the goal of the organization was to remove genetically undesirable people from the United States population. A very clearly targeted black populations. Even today, 83 percent of Planned Parenthood clinics are in majority minority neighborhoods, and the black population of the U. S. would be a quarter higher if Planned Parenthood didn't exist.

Simone Collins: Yeah, so this is like one end of like, aborting disproportionately black babies in the United States, and then there's this other end of like, oh my god, wait, and their fertility window seems to be disproportionately shorter just For whatever this is,

Malcolm Collins: this is just like, you know, a key for just genetics.

Right? Like it, what I mean is it disproportionately means that the individuals in the community who are like, if you're like, okay, so why is well, see black for people who are

Simone Collins: being, I guess, responsible, waiting until they have enough [00:34:00] money and enough and all these other things that are impossible to get these days.

And then they're ready and then suddenly they can't have kids. This is, this is horrible. Yeah. And then the, yeah, anyway, three strikes laws, definitely in favor. Okay. No, no low level drug offenses. What are you guys doing? Like the war on drugs that one of them is.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, no. Trump's actually ramping up the fence and all stuff, and I really agree with it.

No, no,

Simone Collins: no, no. I get that. I'm referring to like the 90s when we're on drugs, where you go to jail for having me

Malcolm Collins: on. He wants to make it a, a death penalty offense to be selling drugs.

Simone Collins: Yeah, and for human trafficking too.

Malcolm Collins: And for human trafficking, and I'm like, yeah, I'm all down for that.

Simone Collins: Yeah, I mean, well, I under, I understand about having like really strict rules.

But again, this concept of like possessing drugs means you go to jail is incredibly stupid. I'm not at all for that. And [00:35:00] I don't know, I mean, also like death penalty for selling drugs. I don't know. I don't know. I think that's not well advised. That is not an optimal decision. I think that what we really need to be focused on is getting hard on repeat crimes that are actively damaging to social stability and yes, drug sale and consumption is is a threat, but not as much as, like, Shoplifting and aggravated assault, murder, abuse, things like that, like that, that is, that is a bigger fish to fry.

And once we have those under control, I'm happy to look at drugs, but to a certain extent, I do think that the masses need to know an opiate, like, quite literally based on where society is going and. I want, I mean, essentially what's happening, Malcolm, is, and we've talked about this, a huge portion of society is euthanizing itself.[00:36:00]

And I believe in euthanization that is humane. Yeah. And I think that people being allowed to essentially euthanize themselves with, with a pain dulling medication or, or, you know, a sort of suffering dulling medication. Is, is the, is the empathetic and fair thing to do for people who've been essentially ruined by society and by the woke mind virus or whatever you want to call it.

No, seriously, Malcolm. Like it's, it's not, it's not cool to ruin a bunch of people to, to effectively neuter them. They're not going to have families. They're living in debt. They're not going to have meaningful lives. And then to be like, Oh, and by the way, you don't get drugs

Malcolm Collins: is what you're saying. You want to euthanize the woke people.

Simone Collins: They're euthanizing themselves. They're dead men walking. I just don't want them to suffer any more than they have to.

Malcolm Collins: I don't know. I've never been a fan of euthanasia. They're lazy and they're communists. They're neets. They're already

Simone Collins: flat.

Malcolm Collins: It's [00:37:00] a joke. I know. I know. They asked the president, they go, Mr.

President, what's your views on youth in Asia? And he goes, they're lazy and they're communists. You heard youth in Asia? I know.

Simone Collins: I know. I know. I got your dad joke the first time.

Malcolm Collins: Shut up. I

Simone Collins: love

Malcolm Collins: you. You need to shut up, Simone. You're a terrible wife and a bad mother and I am sick and disgusted to have married you.

Simone Collins: Speaking of which, I'm going to try. To make a Dutch baby tonight. So more air fried, breaded, kariv seasoned chicken, but I wanted to make a Dutch baby and you can tell me if this appeals to you. Cause there's this dude who does these shorts that I'm like, this is a

Speaker 3: little bit weird, but here's how you can

Simone Collins: make a Dutch baby.

Why is my YouTube totally broken? If I can restart it because I feel like you would like this and [00:38:00] it seems really simple and maybe even the kids will like it. And so let's show me, I know I'm getting at my, is your phone over here

or do we need a new phone?

No, God, we need to stop buying things. No more.

There we go.

Speaker 3: It might sound a little bit weird, but here's how you can make a Dutch baby really good brunch dish. Gas iron pans are the best for this. Put it in the oven to preheat 125 degrees. The best part of this recipe is that you can do it all in the blender. So if you're a human, you got this. And if you're not a human, you got this.

I'll be there in five. Three should have been chickens. One and a half cups all purpose flour. Half a cup of good milk. Two tablespoons of that sap syrup. A little ocean. And a really good vanilla bean paste. For all my visual learners, this is the consistency you're looking for. Whoop. Twenty minutes later, add some butter to the hot skillet and squish it around.

Add in the batter and put back into the oven for an additional twenty to twenty five minutes. Or until the edges become golden brown. Kind of like this brown Guatemalan meal. That is [00:39:00] literally an absolute perfect meal. I had a little bit of Parmesan and prosciutto just to get that sweet and salty element.

Chips.

Simone Collins: Wow.

Speaker 3: Aerated. Salty and sweet. Does it

Simone Collins: not look good? Well, no, no, no. Just be separate. Like, in addition to the, to the chicken. Like, as I said. Yeah,

Malcolm Collins: that works. Try it.

Simone Collins: Okay. It'll have to be tomorrow. I was going to make it tonight, but I needed an hour to do that since it's a Friday night. Oh, yeah.

Don't worry about

Malcolm Collins: it. Look, Simone use the air fryer Caramel muffins? What?

Simone Collins: What, what do you want as your starch with this? Fried rice?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. If you could make fried rice, it'd go really great with our fried chicken. Especially if you can turn it into veggies and cut them up a bit.

Simone Collins: Yeah, you know it.

Malcolm Collins: With the coconut rice?

Simone Collins: With the coconut rice.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, you are my sweetheart.

Simone Collins: You are my special sun pony. My special sun pony? Oh no! You're a very special sun pony. Life is good. Alright, yeah. Three strikes. Good. Drugs.

Malcolm Collins: I want to strike terminals three times. Three strikes.

Simone Collins: [00:40:00] Everyone's allowed three hits, like a pinata.

That's the three strikes rule, but only three, only three. Everyone has a baseball bat, a government issued baseball bat, and you have three strikes. Have a spectacular day Simone. I love you. I love you too. I love you too. Okay.

Speaker 2: I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna pull it. Get in there. And then I'll show you how to actually shoot. And then I know it works. I'm throwing! Then I gotta put that in. And then I gotta Whoa! And then I gotta do this. And then I'm throwing! Okay? Wanna pull your trigger? It suits. Wanna see how it suits? Flash! Flash!

[00:41:00] Flash! Flash! Flash! Flash! And then, you can see the bullet. Oh, no, the

Speaker 4: bullet, the bullet! Who are you talking to, Octavian? Um,

Speaker 2: I don't know.

Speaker 4: Well, who's in the box?

Speaker 2: Um, uh, I don't know his name again. Is he

Speaker 4: your friend? Um,

Speaker 2: yes, I think.

Speaker 4: Why don't you ask what his name is?

Speaker 2: What's your name? I need to play with it. I'm gonna play with

Speaker 4: it. I'm gonna play with

Speaker 2: it. I'm gonna play with it. Yeah!