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You can't just skip the whole consultation phase with employees. You really need to understand from their own spective what are the things that causes him the greatest anx or stresses. And also finding out, you know, how does, how is h r involved? How is health and safety department? Of all, are they talking to each other? Where's leadership coming from? Our middle managers being supported, rather than kind o dump with more things to worry about? I've been one myself, so i completely, i've had that lived experience en. So, yes, it, i meant it's complicated, it just doesn't, it doesn't mean, em it can't be done