The Last Word You Bring Up Desmond Tutu

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I want to leave you with a quote that I think speaks so aligned with what you just said about redemption and reimagination and recreation. It's from Archbishop Desmond Tutu listen to this it's so beautiful he said during the darkest days of apartheid I used to say to PW both are the president of South Africa at the time that we had already won. "My confidence was not in the present circumstances but in the laws of God's universe" thank you for helping this conversation go forward and amen to everything you're saying.

Greg interviews Dr. Dean Helen Easterling Williams, Pepperdine University Graduate School of Education and Psychology. In an upfront and candid conversation, Greg and Dean Williams explore the difference in their experiences as academics, leaders, and human beings. Dean Williams' perspective as a black woman, academic, and leader on everything going on in America, and how to most effectively move forward and make change, is a conversation you will not want to miss.

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