Ryan: I think this story about creating the software could have been tighter. And that could be a me thing since I'm not as curious about software. Like I don't care as much, but that's what I would say. Matt: The next time I come in your show, we're going to keep it to leadership. Do you feel heard? 100%. That's the key. If as a manager, you can do that or doesn't even have to be with your reports, with your spouse, with your friends, with your investors, with anybody.

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