The most common type of spam we saw was a lot of these draw shippers and people who would have links that would then give them, you know, codes plugged in into the cash. And bammers are smart. They start to catch on when they're not hitting the same numbers that they previously were. A lot of the work that was done around spam was really had to be kept super secret because like if even a whisper of it came out, it would take everything down.

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