i've been interested in trying to get my own students more engaged and more focused on their work, which is what i teach ever since i started teaching. Now i help direct something called the centre for engaged learning, which studies students, undergraduates, and how they learn. And it's actually interesting, if you dig into the research, engage learning isn't very well defined in the research. I was really excited cause you suggested looking at some of the research on engaging learners that really just instantly captivated me.And then also, there's a quote that kind of frames our conversation for to day. Sure.