Sean Carroll: One of the things I'm fascinated by is the boundary between living and not quite living. Today we're going to be talking to Kate Adamala who's an assistant professor of genetics, cell biology and development at the University of Minnesota. We don't yet have a working artificial cell that is truly alive in the sense that it reproduces, it goes its own way. But in some sense that's better as we can tune proto-cells to do things that are useful to us without worrying about them reproducing too much or taking over the world.

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