I feel like any step in that direction is a fantastic thing to do. But if you have the capability to pull it off all the way, I feel like, as Danny said, the moral obligation. That's just a circle because that side of the... So that, the dichotomy that Simon just described, right? The difficulty with that extra is that it comes back to a framing of morality and moral values. It's honestly like sitting down with someone who has deeply Catholic values and having a conversation about abortion. You're never going to come to any reason, conclusion.

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