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169: Running a Goal-Free Business with Stephen Shapiro

Free Time with Jenny Blake

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How Do You Run Your Business?

Steven Johnson is the author of 25 lenses that reframe and help solve difficult business problems. He's now over 21 years in to self-employment, but still works about 100 plus hours a week. "I might not make as much money, or I might not be as busy as others, but I do a lot of great work," he says.

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