I think I find a lot of people are actually interested if you talk if you talk to people you know like some people you wouldn't expect to be interested in this from all walks of life. A lot of people have been traumatized by their experience in the math classes we can talk about it later but then they ask me what kind of research I do and I mentioned that I I work on the interface of math and quantum physics  and their eyes light up and say oh quantum physics or like Einstein's authenticityOh I'm really curious about it I watch this podcast or I watch that podcast you know and I've learned this, he says. "Science is still very much you know something

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