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Buddhism is like a fractal and yet it's not completely without form either in the sense that it appears, right? You know, because you're always, I mean, I'm thinking of emptiness and Buddhism is like mere emptiness is thought of as a mistaken view or just apo-phatic nothingness. It's kind of that's where you get stuck in an annealism. There's no thing. There's nothing. They call that attachment to emptiness or whatever. The next stage after the apo- phatic nothingness, no thingness,right, is again luminosity. Is that the, we still exist in a dense array of forms of