After the NLP, then I was still with a lot of questions. So I started doing some work with shamanic plant medicines. And kind of all that South America, Peru for that, or as you do it locally. My first one's in Los Angeles, then San Francisco,. And then I've done it in Ukraine and then Latvia. Yeah. The first group was  in Los Angeles,then San Francisco. And then I have gone to other countries but never Peru. No, I did it. I was experiencing Ukraine. You've been doing like, what, 2020 years or just something at that point, right? Oh, yeah, yeah,Yeah. A long time

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