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Episode 83 - Ron DeSatan

The Deprogram

CHAPTER

The Importance of Smoking

"As I'm getting older, the same like random pains or like random sensations that are not something that you feel every day of the week ... whenever they come through my body now, because I'm older, I always immediately think, oh my god, I'm dying," he says. "I don't have the courage to just do it instantly... It's really fucking terrifying." He also talks about his love for volleyball and how a game can change your life in an instant.

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