I heard this story when I was a new guy that you know in Vietnam These guys got told hey you're gonna go out and do a patrol in this area and they or set up an ambush. They went patrol, you know 200 yards outside the gate Sat in the bushes for five hours patrol back in hey would no no contact. Now we're now we're starting to develop some issues right now. We got some issues cuz now we're giving false information up the chain of command So now we're in just as bad of a spot as good doing down. But what you're talking about you said use the term in extremis people will get killed if it doesn't make sense.