Sangeeta: Anything to be experienced must be an object. So Vishyananda, Vajanaanda, they are experiential. They depend on the mind. But because it depends on the mind, notice they will come and go. There are better gradients and it's graded. And more so, all of it depends on Brahmananda. It is Brahmananda alone,. you are experiencing through the channels of worldly experience or aspiritual joy. Otherwise, it vairagya, dispassion is not there. You know what happens? Why desires are a special target of saints and sages in every religion, everywhere in the world?