Just having things written also can help increase engagement. It's easier to pick something apart or provide feedback when you see it in written format, even if it's one page or maybe two pages. I think a narrative either a summary after you have the meeting or before, firmly, where you can give people the actual thoughts in your head. And then move into your list of the things that are not there. Because we need that bt. You know, we will be all pollyas if we don't have people at the room. But i think if we don’t coax them, it really takes the air out of the room. Just for me and other people ime