Will Trump Run in 2024?

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I'm struck thinking about the about 15 years that I've now spent in the United States how much the basic intellectual layer of the land has transformed. It seems to me that the two fundamental changes have been the transformation of the American right from the Republican party of George Jodie Bush which had many flaws within it. And then on the other hand the sort of strange transformation of the left in which this sort of single-minded focus on identity and the modernization of ethnic religious, racial, sexual, gender groups has taken place. So how worried are you about each of these forces? Is this an intellectual moment that's going to pass or is this setting up the battle lines for the politics of

Sam Harris is a neuroscientist, philosopher, author, and the host of the Making Sense podcast. He rose to prominence as a member of the “Four Horsemen” of New Atheism, which also included Daniel Dennett, Richard Dawkins, and Christopher Hitchens.

In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Sam Harris discuss the intellectual case for atheism; why both left and right have become more extreme in recent years; and the prospects of a more rational politics in the near future.

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