Venkatesh: By exposing it forces people to expose how they're thinking about something in terms of interactions which allows people to kind of challenge oh I don't think it's that way and then you get to a better a deeper version of reality or understanding through that but there's also this entire other thing that's also acting on this is that relevant. Maria: It has been really interesting and thought provoking. You've asked questions that nobody has ever asked me. Thanks for listening and learning with us.

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