Tia: I had so much fun talking with drew she has such an incredible eye for aesthetics and designing for emotion while remaining an amazing problem solver. Tia: If you're enjoying the show I'd leap over tall buildings if you take a minute to leave a rating and review on iTunes by visiting user defenders dot com slash review or if you're on your phone there's a link in the show notes that will teleport you right to it because I know you fight for the users. Thanks again until next time fight on my friends new new product.