Sally Kohn: I find plausible your account of those social and cultural changes. But it also seems to be a lot more complicated than that, right? My understanding is Bolsonaro also does quite well in the favelas. So does that story of rebelling against cultural change fit for those voters? Because they themselves seem to be part of a cultural change, right?Kohn: For me it does play a role in Brazil but maybe to a lesser extent than in the US. And I say that because yes, there are many people who just don't want to get used to the idea that now we have more black people, more women, more young people,. More people

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