Stuart Brand: I wish I had more practical advice about how to pick a mentor or get a mentor to pick you. The kind of people I admire were not people who did achieve things but who were attractive people while they were achieving that. And, and so, I did try to surround myself with people that I respected at the very least, and maybe even admired if I could. There are enough people like that around in the world that if you wanted to you could learn from.