Navigating Value Investing in Volatile Markets

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This chapter explores the evolving landscape of value investing, with a focus on high-quality vs. lower quality businesses under current market conditions. It discusses the risks of high valuations, the strategy of investing in companies with volatile earnings, and the importance of knowing when to sell. Additionally, it reflects on historical drawdowns, the implications of rising interest rates, and the need for agility in investment decisions.

On today’s episode, Kyle Grieve chats with Scott Barbee about how he managed to maintain a deep value-based strategy while it’s gone out of fashion, the three buckets of risk Scott uses to assess businesses, what a genetic contrarian is and why it can be a powerful advantage, why fossil fuels aren’t going anywhere anytime soon and why opportunities exist in that industry, how he navigated a 72% drawdown during the GFC, and a whole lot more!

Scott is the founder of the Aegis Value Fund. Which was created in 1998. Prior to Aegis, Scott worked as an analyst covering oilfield services at Simmons & Company. He also had a stint as a deep value advisor for Donald Smith & Company. He received his MBA from the Wharton School and the University of Pennsylvania. He also holds a B.S in Engineering and a B.A in Economics.

IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN:

00:00 - Intro

02:41 - Some of the key lessons he learned from investing legends like Bill Ackman, Bob Robotti, Peter Cundill, and Walter Schloss

08:17 - How Scott has managed to maintain a value-based strategy when many investors have bailed to chase more expensive stocks

12:00 - Scott's three buckets of investing risk

16:10 - A breakdown of the concept of a "genetic contrarian."

17:30 - Why risk management is key to investing in businesses with high levels of uncertainty and how to take advantage of it

24:27 - Scott's views on energy and how fossil fuels are unlikely to disappear anytime soon

33:36 - The potential downsides Scott sees in super high-quality businesses

34:41 - Why lower-quality businesses with volatile earnings look very attractive right now due to a widespread de-leveraging

43:55 - How Scott dealt with a 72% drawdown during the GFC

And so much more!

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