Even the simplest cell, you know, in your language, carries a model of the world around with it. And so somehow, I don't know how life began that some of my friends are working on it. There's this debate in the origin of life between replication first and information-carrying RNA or DNA. Without that compartment, without that blanket, the very notion of having a view of the outside world is not really tenable. It just strikes me as when we use the, the free energy principle to model more for genesis and cellular organization, it becomes immediately obvious you need RNA and DNA as a jonji model.

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