A lot of SaaS models are licensed based because the value is derived at a per seat or a per human level and it scales with the number of humans using the product. So that's probably what I would focus on is who's getting value and how does that value scale? How do you think about the opportunity for that hybrid business model that you're talking about? Do you think ultimately that's sort of a bit have your cake and eat it too and more and more the ecosystem is going to move to SaaS plus usage? Or do you think there's just going to be splintering and companies are going to be doing all sorts of different things over the next few years

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