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The 2022 Holberg Debate on Ukraine, Russia, China and the West.

Holberg Prize Talks

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Aren't We Ukraine?

There's no rule that says just because somebody wants to be in NATO that we have an open-door policy and we take them in. And you did? Aren't we Ukraine? I actually don't believe that at all. We have actually doubled down. If we had not attempted to make Ukraine a Western bulwark on Russia's border with NATO expansion, EU expansion, and the Color Revolution, there'd be, in all likelihood, no war in Ukraine today. You raised a lot of excellent points, and I want to deal with them.

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