Geoffrey Rushkoff: I'm always fascinated by the moments along the way that shape these significant shifts in people's journeys. You end up really focused on a, on the relationship side of things, on the m and realy, i gessi you like t the positive side of things. How do how do we go from ok to really good and then really go to extraordinary?rushkoff: Your work first comes on to my rad with probably the way that for a lot of people, this book, the big leap, has changed their lives.

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