Not everyone's used to it. It seems really, really scary. Hopefully we get through that soon and we can go back to an office. I actually kind of like, I got a client meeting and I get old school and I just keep going. Yeah, it does humanize people a little bit. And there's more confusing history around it. Well, I'm sure we'll get into it. So let's talk about the history of this project with hollow vis. Yes, I think it's a hollow. Visibility is very important in our world today. We're all trying to be remote for a while. But if it's working under these scenarios, this is like the