How to Get a First Interview Without Showing Work

I love that you like were able to move on to the next stage of a process before showing people your actual work as well, right? Like that is your reputation that you have built. I think my work experience kind of helps speak for itself. So did you, was there anything you applied to and you don't have to name names, but that you didn't hair back afterwards? One place I got a referral through a friend and I didn't hear anything for a little while.