This is the Jocko DeBrief podcast, episode 25 with Dave Burke and me. A lot of the times when we talk, it's business situations that we're dealing with either me and the team with a long-range client or a client you've been working with. And so we decided at some point to make these debrief podcasts to let everybody learn from these lessons. We also have an online training platform for leaders called extreme ownership.com.