NATO and the War in Ukraine
Foreign Policy Live
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The Rhetoric of Leaders
Biden has tried to align democracies against autocracies. But that sort of rhetoric often seems to backfire, I think, when he has to fist bump Southeast MBS. So isn't there a problem then with groups such as NATO, with countries in the West? "When it comes to choosing between values and interests, end up choosing interests"
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