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Parenting
If you're really serious about apprenticeship to jesus, you might hit it two, three, four, five times in your life at some kind of a crisis. It is a moment of truth where you divide in your autobiography. And if you hang with god through it, and you come out the other side, you come out changed from the core of your being out. You come a little bit beat up, but yet at the same time made whole, at a soe level.