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adam tells you about lamb demo. Lamb demo was a text based, multi user, social virtual world. If you want to support the show, you can join my brand new patrion community at patrion dot com slash am conover. And if you do, you'll get access to bonus podcast episodes and our community book club. Our first selection is four lost cities by annaly newitts. We will be chatting with the author on our patrion site.

We spend more time in digital, virtual spaces than ever. But are those places really real? If they are, does that mean we could be living in virtual reality right now? Or does it even make sense to ask such a question? Philosopher David Chalmers joins Adam to talk about consciousness, the nature of reality, and the limits of digital technology. Pick up David's latest book, Reality+, at http://factuallypod.com/books. Support Adam at http://patreon.com/adamconover Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.