Deborah: Dev rel is a feel that's constantly reinventing itself but also doing a lot of the same things on sort of this like gut feel that it's the right thing to do. Julie: The sickest part about dev rel is we care too much. We get so invested in our developers and our partners and our customers that when things don't get workout, it hurts. If people want to find your work or your online presence where should they go?Julie: I am Julie hubs, HUBS on literally everything, pick a social media, whatever if you pick Instagram, you can see my photography.