Theists always say, well, you can't get something from nothing. Well, apparently you can if what you just said is correct. But I guess it depends what you mean by nothing. So then that's right. If I can now define the notion, maybe, of empty space with no particle, right? We can run the clock back and model a universe and have some description mathematically of that. The minute you sort of turn on quantum mechanics, right, then it's really an operational question. You are asking about what's around.

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