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#22.28 with Matt Dillahunty and John Iacoletti

The Atheist Experience

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The Importance of Metaphors

"What I'm saying is that matter is not the prime reality. It's a secondary reality, and we cannot see that," he says. "I am now completely disinterested in anything you're saying." He adds: "Why? Because I care about what is and I want people to make claims ... You're wrong there, but No, I'm not".

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