The Joy of Being Sober

When I was 17 years old, I got sober. That's what like nothing after that wild happened in my life because it's like, you don't want to relapse. And I stayed sober after that for 13 years. But if I said that on a podcast, the way it really is, it would be not entertaining. "I think people just suck the joy out of it," he says about his sobriety. 'It's over if you put it out there'