A.A. Bill Wilson, the co-founder of A.A. was famously founded on him having this what he described as a religious or spiritual conversion experience where the room filled up with white light and smoke. The 12 steps are kind of a very slow, slow burning process of having that direct experience with God and then some of these medicine and just boom, you're there. Do you think how much of that do you think? How much of it is the wow of the experience versus does that have something unique in it that affects addiction specifically? I think it's both.

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