Why Does Everyone Want to Ride Harder Than the Talk Test?

I think for some people too, you might be worried because there isn't it's all qualitative. That, that kind of seems like what these questions are getting at. Like you've gotten so used to quantitative with heart rate and power and all these things that once you're given a qualitative thing, it takes a little bit of adjusting. And I don't know if listeners would agree with that or with this, but I've always tried to relate whatever we're talking about to somebody's everyday experience.