How to Shut Down Conversations

"It's easy to shut down conversations. It's just like a Marxist retrograde or a, you know, Catholic pre written," he says. "What's difficult is to say, okay, we clearly disagree on a lot and maybe we could see if we could expand out for that." He also talks about seeing someone the way God sees them in his new book: "I don't want to see white, I want it first"