The Diving Bell on the Butterfly

"I need bleak. I need low stakes for low rewards, what I need in a novel," says singer-songwriter Devin Townsend. "We found P22 the mountain lion out here and we put her down", he adds of his mom's response to an announcement that Slash had been hit by a car. The pair also talk about how they're doing with their new show on Sirius XM Satellite Radio.