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330 | Does Great Power Equal Responsibility? America and the World from WWI to Ukraine with Robert Kagan

The Realignment

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What Is Legitimate in the International System?

I think this is an interesting case of the world just shifting at a narrative level. And both countries just not being prepared for that narrative shift. So can you speak to how it seems as if belligerent, autocratic powers seem to have misjudged their timing in terms of when the case that they're trying to make would be most effective and would Frankly be at its most legitimate? Well, that's, I mean, that raises some very interesting sort of almost metaphysical questions. I mean, what is legitimate in the international system? You know, because we are, you know, liberal in a small L sense,. We believe in the idea of progress.

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