i think i would have been feeling very optimistic and feeling that there is an appetite for change, had this not happened. One of the one of the biggest surprises about moving to america, w actually, is there's very little adversarial journalism in America. What there is instead is highly partisan, curated media. When shame becomes over used as a weapon, what you're doing is creating, in almost in a darwinian way, a generation f te are annoyingly unashamed people who think they can just get away theny a caso. I think when public shaming ar attem, we must go to questions. But whon public shaming becomes so ubiquitous, humans become
Whether it's arguing over cancel culture, mask-wearing or what to do with statues, the culture wars now seem to be a constantly reappearing flashpoint in public discourse. Acclaimed writer and podcaster Jon Ronson was curious to learn how this phenomenon had come about and has spent the last year creating the hit radio and podcast series, Things Fell Apart, for BBC Radio 4, exploring the history of the culture wars. For this discussion Jon is joined in conversation by comedian and writer David Baddiel to explore the origin stories of the culture wars and where they might be headed next.
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