Exploring Plasma: The Mysterious Fourth State of Matter

What if 99% of the universe holds the key to understanding UFOs, paranormal phenomena, and even consciousness itself?

In this episode, Kelly Chase and Jay Christopher King dive deep into the plasma hypothesis—a paradigm-shifting idea that plasma, the fourth state of matter, may act as a substrate for intelligence. Fresh from the University of Exeter workshop on plasma cosmology (with thinkers like Robert Temple, Jeffrey Kripal, Bernard Carr, and Nick Cook), Kelly unpacks the conversations that are reshaping the frontier of science and anomalous studies.

Together, Kelly and Jay explore:

• What plasma actually is and why it makes up nearly all of the visible universe.
  

• Robert Temple’s groundbreaking book A New Science of Heaven and its implications for UFOs and consciousness studies.
  

• Why orb encounters and plasma-like phenomena may be central to the experiencer narrative.
  

• The limits of materialist explanations—and why plasma may not explain everything.
  

• How process philosophy and transpersonal psychology open new frameworks for exploring intelligent plasma.
  

• The overlap between orbs, UFOs, cryptids, and the land of the dead.
  

• The risks of overreach and the need to resist turning plasma into the next “quantum” catch-all.
  

From the cutting edge of astrophysics to the lived realities of experiencers, this conversation wrestles with the biggest question of all: could plasma be the hidden medium of mind, matter, and mystery?

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• Robert Temple, A New Science of Heaven: https://a.co/d/9cIc6Ec

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TIMESTAMPS

01:51 Diving into Plasma Cosmology

03:45 Understanding Plasma: The Fourth State of Matter

06:55 The Potential of Plasma as a Substrate for Intelligence

09:53 Speculations on Plasma and Anomalous Phenomena

14:14 Challenges in Defining Plasma Intelligence

20:26 Exploring Plasma's Physical and Non-Physical Interactions

27:49 Philosophical Perspectives on Plasma Intelligence

31:53 Exploring Paranormal Phenomena

32:40 Interdimensional Theories and Consciousness

34:44 Plasma and Human Connection

35:24 Historical UFO Cases

38:35 Life, Death, and Plasma Phenomena

48:23 Orbs and UFOs: A Deeper Look

56:40 Future Research and Exploration

58:55 Closing Remarks and Community Engagement

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