Is it an anti pattern to have engineering managers who are only people managers and not involved in work is that something I think I've seen adopted in organizations even that aren't trying to prescribe the prescribed to the squad model. It seems to be a trend that was maybe born out of the squat model that I've seen across the industry so what are your thoughts on that? And there's one right answer for what a manager should or should not do. But I would go back to why do we have managers, like what is the value that they are bringing to a particular team into the organization. My perspective is that a manager should be the one that is accountable and therefore responsible for the delivery of

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